Eddie Goldstein hopes for a society that values science by fostering a scientific spirit founded on curiosity and a belief that answers come from logic and evidence. He talked about how the OJ Simpson trial showed him how unscientific legal thinking was, that it was not about seeking truth but winning the case. Conversely, he fears that many people believe science, like law, has an agenda, and that facts are biased. For scientists who work so hard to address bias and speak cautiously about conclusions, this perception must be maddening. Meanwhile, communicators aiming for clarity might be losing some nuances.